More Thoughts on Pluribus

Last week I posted a video about my frustrations with Pluribus, and some of the responses have been interesting.

Carol inspects a cup of mysterious juice.

Lately when I post a video I get a wave of sticky anxiety that stays with me for a few days. There is something frightening about dropping the video over the cliff and into the deep, dark ocean of viewers - a distinctly unusual feeling, so different from posting here to a small, usually very chill audience of blog enthusiasts.

It makes one shudder. 

A police car on Carol's street at night.

Many of the comments on this video, though, were reasonably similar to the comments on the Pluribus-hating post I made here a while ago. Yes, some agree, the plot meanders and the season stretches out its episodes in a sometimes unsatisfying way. Maybe, some say, Carol isn't that interesting when left alone for long stretches of episode time.

Zosia stands in the aisle of a plane.

But some of the ways people disagree with me (and they sure do!) are fascinating. Maybe most baffling of all is the stalwart conviction that I can't be right about the season's position on the plurb, because they (the commenter) think the plurb is morally excellent. Regardless of your own philosophical wrestlings with the plurb as a force of good or evil (which, I have to admit to you, I do find deranged), the season makes it clear by the finale that this is a sinister force with absolutely no concern for preserving any facet of humanity beyond an encyclopedic pilfering of its knowledge. Those humans aren't in there! Not really!

A car in front of the grocery store, 'Sprouts'.

Yes, the season wants to play with our moral view of the plurb, make us ask questions about whether there could be a net positive in such a complete takeover of human life, or at the very least if it could rock ass to be the lucky individual who gets to interface with the plurb as if it's a personal sex butler, but why is Manousos rushing to the action if not to be our vector for rooting for the plurb's reckoning and destruction? That's the arc, baby!!

Not that I begrudge rooting for a villain - I said I'd love a more evil Carol in this very video - but let's call a plurb a plurb here.

Carol holds a squeezy toy in her hand and looks despondent.

Another related thing I'm seeing is impassioned defense of the non-Carol individuals who love that plurb. No Lilly, people are saying. You don't get it - they accept the plurb because their family members are plurbed, and because to them, this collective mass is not such a nightmare. They come from more community-minded cultures, you see, and quite frankly they're right and I love the plurb and I wanna get plurbed myself.

And to that I say, okay plurb-lover, I get that you love the plurb and that you wanna for real get plurbed. However, there's a few reasons I'm not into this one. The first is that, as I said in my video, the season doesn't explore why these people think the plurb is fine. We don't see a single meaningful interaction between one of these individuals and a plurbed family member of theirs. We categorically don't explore what their reasons are for deciding they're cool with it, and I don't buy that coming from a culture which values community over the inidividual would mean you'd see a big alien thing that absorbs all of the humans you know and love as equivalent to said community. I think one could see that as a threat to community! I mean, community is a thing comprised of individuals, not a hivemind. They're not the same. Couldn't it even be reductive and insulting to reduce community-focus to this extreme erasure of the individual? Individuals can exist without community, after all, but community can't exist without individuals.

Zosia smiles lovingly.

I would love to see a more complex view of these characters within the show. I'm not saying these characters are simply 'bad people' for having no problem with their apocalypse, just that the show gives us no reason to understand them. We don't spend time with them, and we don't gain any perspective on what their views are. Koumba is the only real mouthpiece for pro-plurb sentiment within the show, and he both doesn't offer a convincing argument (unless you love the no crime thing), and seeks to primarily use the plurb to have all the young women of the world service him indiscriminately. The plurb-lovers, then, come across as idiots and dweebs. I can't relate to them. And I don't think I have to, but it would be nice to feel that they weren't so much like cardboard cut-outs.

Zosia turns to look back at Carol from many rows of plane seats ahead.

Finally, if these characters are so happy with the situation - with their family and friends being enplurbened - because of their alleged cultural predeliction for community, then why do all of them (with the exception of Darling Kusimayu) refuse to join the plurb themselves? You'd think if this was such a culturally defined moral good in their eyes that they would join too, but no - they're happy for their families to be sucked up into the plurb without consent, but when they have the choice: it's a no. That's pretty interesting. It's almost as if the show is categorically characterising them as a hypocritical group of thoughtless rubes who are willing to destroy the world and throw other people away for the benefits afforded to them in a mass-death event. Hmm...

A close-up of Carol, utterly drained.

But perhaps my favourite viewer response was one commenter's claim that reviewing the first season of a TV show, that judging an entire hypothetical show by its baby season, is like judging a movie based on its first ten minutes. A very silly one, but yes, perhaps. Let's all be quiet until father Gilligan feeds us a scrumptious fourth season. Then, some say, I may be permitted to judge.

 

10 comments:

  1. You might remember me saying this in my little blurb on here, but I think the Plurb sympathizers are getting crossed up by the wish fulfillment. I was mostly talking about the Carol haters, but I think that's what is going on here. It's a very interesting response specific to sci-fi/fantasy/horror and it really throws some people for a loop.

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  2. To me the show didn't feel provoking enough that i felt like chatting about it so far, not gonna lie.
    I enjoyed the rush of felling like Pluribus would be remarkable (at least it made me feel like that for a few days and it was great while it lasted). Turned out to be a decent show, and... that was it.
    It sits right there with fallout: something to watch, not super challenging.
    I generally agree with your points, but I've been curious about this structural question: why the introduction of Manousos happened so late? The character made the show so much more vibrant because of the contrast and the explosive dynamic with carol. The narrative reasoning behind delaying that felt strange to me, unwarranted. Right now it feels like there's probably a reason for delaying that and stretching the episodes, it's just not a good one. I really hope they prove me wrong, tho, because i do love the concept of the show

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    1. Yeah it did feel notable that he was brought in so late in the series. It makes the lack of characterisation he's given feel more conspicuous, and I say that as a Manousos respecte, but I think they wanted him to keep his mysterious feel for the entire season.

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    2. *respecter, sorry I accidentally deleted my R :'-)

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    3. Yeah, but then it happens to detriment of the entire season... I feel like so many of the issues you highlighted in the video could have been avoided by having him come earlier and still presenting him the same mysterious way. When those inconsistencies "take less of our attention" because now we have those two awesome characters problem solving, it feels more like a silly suspend your disbelief situation, where we get busy right away rather than an attempt of a "sincere and realistic interpretation" of that scenario – they're giving us too much room to scrutinize it – it doesn't have to be realistic to be good, right? It's a brilliant concept, but the concept alone doesn't carry. The issue is that it feels like Pluribus wants to be silly AND realistic because of that presentation style (and that's a great combo, it absolutely can work, i just don't feel like they pulled it off) – it led them to drip feed us those settings and as that happened we kept learning "we're going to see very little character dynamics, by the way" and that gives us so much time to contemplate that the settings don't make a whole lot of sense, and feels like there's not enough meat. I still enjoyed myself watching, it just feels like it could have been so much better, tho. Indecisiveness and prioritization defects is what I'm blaming it on for now (things I'm definitely guilty of... I can relate)

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  3. The 'other cultures are more community minded' thing feels condescending at best and actively racist at worst.

    The blurb is actively portrayed as not caring about culture or personal (or even community) preference though, so I'm not sure that's the intent, to give the series credit.

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    1. Yeah I do think some viewers are just plucking that directly from their assumptions about cultures they don't belong to and don't know much about, drawing from this idea of a vast gulf between Western and Eastern values that I think is a lot more nuanced and complex in reality than the very broad individual vs communal thing that some are running with.

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  4. I think the reason why the plurb felt portrayed as non-evil to me is a gesture towards communalism. Obviously it's all falls apart if you try to examine the metaphor closer, but I felt like that was the intention, not expecting much insight on the topic from the mainstream American creaters, and the considered it as such. I've felt like the plot was mostly about how Carol is deeply selfish and relies on labour of many people without willing to admit it while Manusos is this libertarian small business owner private property loving jugged individualist who will stupidly march into his own death rather than accept any help from the collective. This perspective is kinda hard to maintain by the very end and the shows feeling on the plurb definitely shift into a criticism of collectivism from pretty strange positions, but that's how I've felt through out the most of it.

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  5. I am catching up on ur posts and it's funny that you're now being exposed to the exact same bizarre takes that I was that I talked about in that post I made. The "collectivist culture" thing people bring up annoys me so much. Like Laxshmi, I could maybe buy her being taken in if her plurb'd son was basically LARPing as his old self to make her feel better, but he acts exactly like the rest of them, and I'm sorry I don't think any mother would be okay with her son's entire personality being erased, no matter where she was raised!!!!!

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    1. The orientalism is SIZZLING out here lmao

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